anybody else noticed that her fan club has only 33 members, and one of those is christine burns?


this tickles me greatly.

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I would hope that it will now start to become abundantly clear to Bindel that she does not represent the majority of feminists or lesbians on this point.

Sadly, she seems fairly opaque to such things.

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I would hope that it will now start to become abundantly clear to Bindel that she does not represent the majority of feminists or lesbians on this point.

I suspect she already knows, but doesn't care. It became abundantly clear from talking to her that there are (at least) two Julie Bindels - there's the one you get in a private discussion, where she's actually calm and reasonable, and even charming, and there's the public persona. I suspect the latter is mostly a commercial product - a kind of (barely) thinking person's version of the "Daily Mail reader in the pub". She knows what she's doing is wrong, and hurts people, but seems not to care.

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I suspect the latter is mostly a commercial product - a kind of (barely) thinking person's version of the "Daily Mail reader in the pub".

The odd thing is that I don't think she even is appealing to populism most of the time, at least not in the usual sense of populism. Most of what she writes in the Guardian is this painfully earnest anti-porn, anti-everything feminist diatribe. And all criticism is answered with "OMG Rape!" From personal experience, rape is not the only bad thing that can happen to a person, and I don't even think it's the worst.

It's almost as if Bindel's playing on all the absolute worst stereotypes of a feminist in order to make the Daily Mail crowd say "See, we TOLD you all them feminists were crazy bitches who wanted to make everyone miserable!"

And then she'll go and write some absolute fluff. I really don't get it.

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We're talking about her. Other people are talking about her. She's "controversial". Radio 4 sought her out. If you've got thick skin, or are just completely amoral, I guess there's money in it. It's not a career path I'd pick though.

The fluff is ... fluffy. I guess they needed to fill column inches and she needed the money.

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Makes me think of...

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Well yes, exactly. Bindel really is Millie Tant.

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If you were to be mistaken about her hatred being only for commercial purposes (about which I suggest you are mistaken, or rather misled), there's a psychiatric diagnosis exactly fits. ISTR its psychopath.

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Wikipedia is far from infallible, but I get the feeling that radical cheerleaders are more likely to be on the pro-trans side. Apart from anything else, they appear to be having fun, which places them squarely outside the radfem camp.

Because the radfems and the fundaloonies are both kept awake at night by the haunting fear that somewhere, somehow, a woman might be enjoying herself.

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Because the radfems and the fundaloonies are both kept awake at night by the haunting fear that somewhere, somehow, a woman might be enjoying herself.

Too true!

And thanks for the link to radical cheerleading. That was really informative. I think an edit to my post might be in order.

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Well, there is their cheer about "chicks with dicks".

Just sayin'...

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I just fail to understand why we as trans continue to throw our support behind the GLB community when they have shown time and again that they are willing to sell us down the river whenever it's expedient to them. Look at the record. C250 in Canada, ENDA in the US, nominating Bailey for the Lambda award, this particular event, the hijacking of the whole Stonewall thing, (a trans event). We have proven that we can effectively fight back, so why support them at all?

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Mostly, I think, because a lot of us identify as GLB, and so see it as our community too.

But the amount of transphobia it harbours can be depressing as hell at times.

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Including me and my partner. But it's been my experience that most mainstream GLBs are incredibly ignorant about trans. I think they keep expecting CD/TV/DQ. Nevertheless, if we're going to keep doing this sort of stuff to us, essentially forcing us to pick sides, I know where I stand. We cannot depend on them for support, and that's been made plain.

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I agree with this a great deal of the trans community claim to glb is some from or another

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Well, perhaps it really IS time to re ignite the give us back our 'T' campaign that got going during the Bailey farrago?

And we wouldn't, I suspect, be in the business of excluding LGB trans people or straight trans people or trans people of colour, or trans people with different abilities or variant people or non trans people, or..............anyone really :o)

Nope! Just the bigots!

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In response to the Stonewall e-mail, my comparison of giving Mussolini an award for getting Italy's trains running on time still stands.

As for "say no to silencing", where is this oppression of which the bileful one speaks? I don't see any. I see people rightly challenging her views and perceptions about trans issues.

Love the cheerleader chant! :-)

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Icon love :o)

Have you read the abominations of Nuggan in Terry Pratchett's 'Monstrous regiment'?

'Rightly challenging'- come on already, this is the sainted Bindell we're challenging here............

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I borrowed the userpic from someone (credited in my userpics list) because I loved it.

Haven't read that TP work, will look it up. Think the other half has most of TP's stuff.

There aren't many saints in this world and Bindel sure isn't on my list of saints. Tainted she may be but canonised? My arse deserves canonisation before she does.

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Perhaps canonised via one of HMS Belfast's 15 inch guns would be the best approach :o)

I suspect that any trans person or supporter of women's rights would find 'Monstrous regiment' more than a little amusing!

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Perhaps canonised via one of HMS Belfast's 15 inch guns would be the best approach :o)

I like your style :-)

Edited at 2008-10-14 13:44 (UTC)

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Well, in real life I'm a military historian (wonder what Bindel would make of a female military historian, Quaker and pacifist?) so I tend to think that way :o)

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*needs a "Wow! You're so incredibly cool!" icon.*

May I friend you?

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I just did you, so why not? :o)

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:-) Thank you :-)

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It's taking them longer to reply to my second email than my first... must be a bigger cut'n'paste job this time round...

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They haven't responded to my response either- I suspect they'll simply, ahem, stonewall on those :o/

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Is it wrong to admit that talk of a "lesbian perspective" has me mentally picturing belly buttons?

You've got me thinking of chocolate buttons now... think I'll get some when I pop out for fatpuss food.

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You may need a banner to wave at her supporters:

"Just cos you shout loudest doesn't mean you are right"

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:-)

I doubt many people will turn up to her counter demonstration, tbh.

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Every lesbian feminist I know would be officially insulted by this. Fer crying out loud.

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How does one get 'officially insulted'? :o)

I'm now getting images of a local government officer named an 'official insult officer' (think traffic warden) whose job it is to hurl insults at council tax payers *VBG* :o)

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Heh, by being referred to by someone grammatically sloppy.

I think I want that job. Oh, wait, no.

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Snerk!
But would you look good in uniform? :o)

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Darn tootin'!

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y'know if they show up you could screech the above at them. will make them look ridiculous.

thanks for chatting yesterday btw.

Will deffo try to show up if loud voices are required. I have one of those.

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Huh?????? I don't know how it is across the pond, but most of the Radical Cheerleaders here are trans friendly.

And Cheerleaders? I mean, she's basically accousing us of reinforcing gender norms; wtf?

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I had a long correspondence with a senior member of Press for Change last night over l'affaire Bindel and I'm very disturbed by the outcome. I need ideas and would be happy for anyone who wishes to go to my most recent post and give me the benefit of their views. I begin to see a worrying split forming here (generational)

Talk later! Work!

Chiara

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